# Meeting Transcription

  Meeting started: 10/3/2026, 7:35:29 AM
  Duration: 73 minutes
  Participants: Aaron Tushabe, Hillary Arinda

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    ## Highlights

    > 03:34 Aaron Tushabe: Family amount of software that I said as good to be retreated to just accommodate for them. He's Madness but yes government just declared everybody on Beijing time. Is that clear? And they moved on. that g Okay, let me press and then we'll get started. Thank you for starring down myself and thank you for the partners. We are meeting along the way lord, and the progress is made so far. We are slow that will continue to trust you extending not just dependent on understanding of constantly look to yellow dedicate this time. We have load we use it most profitably load help us to discuss the things that moves and give us French to continue stewarding risk mission faithfully Lord Christ memory press almost.
> 08:32 Aaron Tushabe: That's what I'll put this the thing I wanted to run down is due for plants.
> 13:59 Aaron Tushabe: We yeah, but then all the other they have the program is open if you have an idea something you can submit and and they start taking you through the review process, but yes, oh, it's on my to do is to follow up on that and see how to
> 14:16 Aaron Tushabe: what we can submit to them for helping van via this our next few projects. Yeah,
> 19:18 Aaron Tushabe: idea. We are still like prototype. Yes, I would want to hear at this massive text but I yeah. I think what's yeah, it was still a prototype mostly because I yeah, I Yeah, I'm I guess I I didn't get a chance and I haven't prioritized like running the software my goal there was card we get this mass and understand confident on
> 33:20 Aaron Tushabe: they were also is an organization called have you had the African mini grade developers Association I think is what it is important, but
> 41:31 Aaron Tushabe: Trying to see if I can yeah, but yeah, there's a live instance. I should definitely invite you here so that I don't even know is is invites what? and see here so there's there's issues by the spitting out good errors and all that so I think I might do suggest me the help to to like get in and whatever so let me fix this you get in so that maybe you can click around and see what's broken, but the goal is can we at least get this to a state so that I can import the
> 42:28 Aaron Tushabe: connect to the Open EMS plug because now I created a dedicated because of this new architecture. We have the plugin for open EMS we can connect it and import them Asana like recreate the nuts and a microgreens there and and I think going
> 49:16 Aaron Tushabe: So that for them one. It's it ends up being it ends up being capital your borrowings more capital your borrowing, but it they are willing to to learn it and it feels less risky up because they're like if you have the portfolio of five projects. They're like if one flows down. Maybe people have not buying energy as much the others can help of set it because all the entire portfolio is funded on one loan.
> 49:52 Aaron Tushabe: Versus if you have one project and if it's not doing well that loan has a risk of defaulty.
> 50:05 Aaron Tushabe: That's that's if you have if I text to to a bank worship harvest. They can see a project that is clearly profitable but the risk for them would be that if what
> 50:20 Aaron Tushabe: you pers reduce their consumption for some reason. Then that I would be at risk of defaulting on that loan.
> 01:01:50 Aaron Tushabe: It is from the commercial model here 20 or 20 percent and I'm like yeah it can convince someone who has their unit trust that is coming in at 10 percent per year to you know take a bit more risk on something and get to 20%
> 01:08:19 Aaron Tushabe: No, it was was living it. There is isn't reliability because living it for me. I'm like reliability is is power staying on I don't know how often power power goes in the midnight window that I would have a risk if I already that midnight
> 01:08:40 Hillary Arinda: zero the risk is the
> 01:10:45 Aaron Tushabe: Then a participate 1 m we are going to be coming for it sometime next week.

  ## Transcript

  00:00 Aaron Tushabe: Good morning.
00:03 Hillary Arinda: as Erin Howie
00:09 Aaron Tushabe: It sounds like you are. You are pushing too late last night.
00:16 Hillary Arinda: That's my default that default settings.
00:24 Aaron Tushabe: okay, I think we can catch up on some things and Maybe let you go back in for snatched. if you want in plants How much longer I will be? Back, let's see if you can push for Indian hour, it might be short.
00:56 Hillary Arinda: okay
01:00 Aaron Tushabe: Okay and also having been tracking his time results.
01:05 Aaron Tushabe: Hi, I'm transcribing this call with my Tactiq AI Extension. https://tactiq.io/r/transcribing
01:09 Aaron Tushabe: Beijing time
01:13 Hillary Arinda: Is in China does he have Google access to anything?
01:22 Aaron Tushabe: Forgot even what's up? He's struggling. But I'm hoping that I wish he had fun. We said I forgot the VPN for him.
01:38 Hillary Arinda: Mmm. I think you can still set up one while there.
01:39 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, you know. And you still needs to yeah. I guess you can find some some because they went with a group. They went with a group.
01:56 Hillary Arinda: hmm
01:58 Aaron Tushabe: they went they went with a group and I'm assuming someone who has planned the trip before most of prepared them over at least get a VPN if you want your WhatsApp to the other responded somewhat messages, so yeah, maybe about now. It's a little past midnight and if he managed to times when I just I think he's already basically.
02:28 Hillary Arinda: he's in China hmm
02:38 Aaron Tushabe: Yes.
02:39 Hillary Arinda: I think we have 2.5 hours ahead of me, so it's like mid-30. let me see time in China is in Beijing
02:52 Aaron Tushabe: He is in a china believes in one time zone. They don't do that Madness of switching terms and the same country he's in over Guangzhou
03:03 Hillary Arinda: okay 12:41
03:05 Aaron Tushabe: Yes.
03:06 Hillary Arinda: area 2 hours and a half ahead of me The China would like stay tuned for five times zones.
03:13 Aaron Tushabe: You will feel you feel that the difference as you travel across the country because they're almost as bigger, but they're like just go to sleep early. That's all look at the clock. Stop looking outside look at the clock if it's
03:24 Hillary Arinda: eh
03:28 Aaron Tushabe: time to sleep. It's time to sleep.
03:29 Hillary Arinda: Follow the clock.
03:34 Aaron Tushabe: Family amount of software that I said as good to be retreated to just accommodate for them. He's Madness but yes government just declared everybody on Beijing time. Is that clear? And they moved on. that g Okay, let me press and then we'll get started. Thank you for starring down myself and thank you for the partners. We are meeting along the way lord, and the progress is made so far. We are slow that will continue to trust you extending not just dependent on understanding of constantly look to yellow dedicate this time. We have load we use it most profitably load help us to discuss the things that moves and give us French to continue stewarding risk mission faithfully Lord Christ memory press almost.
05:07 Hillary Arinda: Amen amen.
05:20 Aaron Tushabe: And try to prepare during the week. of things on your Your disgusting person without faith and we could start with those.
05:51 Hillary Arinda: Ity the last thing on my mind this day illustria, I did for the proposal I think it was good. I just put a few reviews for it as elastic. I recall the rest is I
05:57 Aaron Tushabe: yeah
06:03 Hillary Arinda: think you already reviewed my PR for arbitrage and then we need to discuss why I
06:08 Aaron Tushabe: Yes.
06:12 Hillary Arinda: thought emails are automated. I think I am a bit. Hide on that. I just need to be brought back up to speed and then we discuss the automation plan and then that voice note.
06:28 Aaron Tushabe: Yes, yes, yes.
06:32 Hillary Arinda: That should be enough, yeah.
06:34 Aaron Tushabe: okay
06:35 Hillary Arinda: Actually had a lot of my mind okay, but that's enough for now.
06:41 Aaron Tushabe: and proposal
06:41 Hillary Arinda: Hey and then the review of the trip I missed there are two things. I think I missed the the what's the name the boot camp in Kenya and then their crisis meeting you had I think it's interesting stuff.
06:58 Aaron Tushabe: okay, yeah Yes. okay
07:03 Hillary Arinda: and it's And then there was there was one open items still left on re-aming the inverter when there is a faulty it needed someone physically check what is on address 23? For some reason hmm. My agent couldn't tell what was wrong. It was some mumbo. Jumbo I didn't get but it will entry that reject that to confirm.
07:51 Aaron Tushabe: okay Yeah, let's try to talk about is going.
08:23 Aaron Tushabe: Okay, then, I think for me the thing I don't skip for plans.
08:32 Hillary Arinda: so then
08:32 Aaron Tushabe: That's what I'll put this the thing I wanted to run down is due for plants.
08:43 Hillary Arinda: Sorry, I'm not getting that one.
08:47 Aaron Tushabe: You f*** you f*** that we ended fourth Quartet you can believe it.
08:50 Hillary Arinda: Yes, yes, yes.
08:53 Aaron Tushabe: You can believe it you three hours. But so yeah last week. I am still yet to put because we we have to like write a report about how that thing was to get reimbursed that the money they agree and buses from that's basically I triple e the Organization for like engineers and the dog standards organization where most engineers have you can apply to be a member and all that stuff has Bodhi visions within it and there's one called isv stands for I Triple H smart Village that's so that division has been doing work on really mostly energy and particularly mini grades supporting and I noticing say they have sponsored guys doing solar.
10:01 Hillary Arinda: response
10:05 Aaron Tushabe: Guys doing just solar cooking but basically energy in Ventures that are doing energy and they have just repeal as over enterprised electricity and other e that basically you should be doing something to do with electricity it needs to be a variable business and it needs to have some sort of I forgetting isds.
10:38 Hillary Arinda: environment Not very romantic.
10:48 Aaron Tushabe: forgotten How they actually is yeah, but they have been doing this over ten years and the funded some companies. They are first round of and they do sort of. Make build on funding like they give you 25k and it's technically Grant funding but they don't want to call it brand funding they you need specify exactly what the money is doing and they follow through that you use the money for that. So they are fast. They have a family regardless review process, but it might take away from this was that I think we are eligible and I just need to prioritize applying their first whatever is 25ks my original hesitation was they seem to be focused on VHS like remote whatever and they said no no the main thing about us is the three pillars.
12:02 Aaron Tushabe: Which I can see to find. And if you check off even one of those three Pillars we can talk about yeah, how how we can find you? so that was one yeah one name takeaway, but essentially because
12:24 Hillary Arinda: And just to interject based on the three Pillars we qualify.
12:29 Aaron Tushabe: Yes, yes done the three Pillars it felt like education.
12:34 Hillary Arinda: education
12:36 Aaron Tushabe: Yes, and I told them a lot of all of our stuff is really open source and we are willing to like train other like over right here. I would like take out our blog we share our things for if you want to deploy a mini Greek with us tacky new village in your town that start your own mini grid business. You can so I think what again I think the fact that they even said even the step of one pillar. It's okay.
13:07 Aaron Tushabe: then We have a variable business and obviously we're doing electrication actually they came this year was had to do with energy as a service. businesses Yes, accelerating resilient energy systems and decarbonization. So, I think they had a program for just one care that for like really new startups that they had that we dealt apply for in time, but I think if we had that to that was also been an easier for us to get was just one care of and then.
13:59 Aaron Tushabe: We yeah, but then all the other they have the program is open if you have an idea something you can submit and and they start taking you through the review process, but yes, oh, it's on my to do is to follow up on that and see how to
14:12 Hillary Arinda: mmm
14:16 Aaron Tushabe: what we can submit to them for helping van via this our next few projects. Yeah,
14:28 Aaron Tushabe: I think for me that was my biggest takeaway out of that they the Glen and Glenn technically volunteers with them but Adam is ahead of their technology committee. So we are also continuing collaboration on this hardware meet as you can assemble yourself often. Assemble in country and to help bring down the cost of meters but I in my mind that is the secondary track it will definitely keep interest with the Technology Group because they are interested in continuing to develop that and we offer them our pilot sites for testing some of these things so when this must this must understood learnt how to assemble them the meters and he took back. Yeah, he brought the equipment at some way from San Francisco then. I think took back a few a bit more included.
15:27 Aaron Tushabe: If there's meter I don't think we had heard the three phase meter Glenn calls three phase meters dtms. Have you ever heard of islamed?
15:36 Hillary Arinda: What is dm info?
15:39 Aaron Tushabe: It stands for like distributed. transform our money Something traffic I think it's transform a monitor talk to. To dance and about this but I think I recognize that. Maybe because we cut the original purpose of monetary was to to build these things we call meters doing more than metering. So, I think that for that cheap. They have that does monitors three phases, they don't even like because they're not at all monitoring it so that they can meet me at the three phase they are monitoring it so that they check for her money for like voltage. What a wide range of things so I think he gave us a cheap for that as well, so yeah depending on how our Q4 priorities for we might be able to see how to get that hardware together and unpiot.
16:59 Aaron Tushabe: But my again I think the main thing was the I mean what a lot of contacts introduced what nft does to a number of people they gave me an afternoon like 20 minutes on on one of the days to to communicate what what is doing and yeah again. I think for us to doubt was and now most of that developers. Who are there. That is sponsored mostly deploying Ministries in West Africa and I don't know I think west African countries are big and majority of their portfolio was really all except one that said they have one grid connected mini-grid in town.
17:46 Aaron Tushabe: They call them interconnected many grips, but most of them are much areas and their. Think they are 30 remote areas where the government outside us. Just said we are never going to come with it. So they give them a license and they also give them a condition that if we ever come we shall compensate you. For you like which I'll value the assets and then give you money before we set up a grid so I think my observation is that if their mind the idea of green type mini grids and how they can quite this with the main read is still immature and we have some opportunity to like provide almost industry level leadership there.
18:35 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, so overall. I think a group we should stay in touch with thinking of adding a partners page on our website and gave like this should to be.
18:47 Hillary Arinda: hmm
18:47 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, yeah, but I think that.
18:50 Hillary Arinda: That was good and from your own view. How was the meter assembling in terms of In terms of Readiness to production, how would you rate it based on what you saw?
19:09 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, I think we are we are still yes still at prototype. Let's do that product
19:18 Hillary Arinda: hmm
19:18 Aaron Tushabe: idea. We are still like prototype. Yes, I would want to hear at this massive text but I yeah. I think what's yeah, it was still a prototype mostly because I yeah, I Yeah, I'm I guess I I didn't get a chance and I haven't prioritized like running the software my goal there was card we get this mass and understand confident on
19:59 Aaron Tushabe: the hardware assembly but the software when I look at the report. It feels like the lot of it's not clear. What stable so it feels like there's some testing for us to do that these energy iot guys created the manual that I think might be about to get us at least something we can test in a lab. I would want to like run it in our office so in whatever somewhere metering yeah simple connection to a light bulb with the software.
20:40 Aaron Tushabe: And and figure out how to integrate with open EMS all builds now that mpn is MGM I don't know maybe even write a plugin for it because it they have the software. ESC 30 tools which are I guess reality Paras very tight? And tests that out yeah, but I until we've done that like in our church.
21:18 Hillary Arinda: Hi there.
21:22 Aaron Tushabe: Hello.
21:24 Hillary Arinda: Yes, I can hear.
21:25 Aaron Tushabe: Did you get cut off yeah? I would say I'm not yet confident to go to production
21:28 Hillary Arinda: It's like your positive.
21:29 Aaron Tushabe: and until one of us is running running it at home for a week or so to just get
21:35 Hillary Arinda: farewell and and then also
21:37 Aaron Tushabe: here to just see how data flows here.
21:40 Hillary Arinda: I was guessing there is only as for the meter rules is to take the the meters and those depth tests. Basically to see her meters would perform in harsh conditions and how stable
21:50 Aaron Tushabe: Yes.
21:55 Hillary Arinda: they will remain when they have worked for long.
22:00 Aaron Tushabe: I think I'm trying to actually when I asked for that. Yeah, not the main reason actually asked for that this week was because of what was happening that this metering crisis. I was trying to understand what what are the cause? We're
22:13 Hillary Arinda: hmm
22:16 Aaron Tushabe: trying to agree on? What are the standards open standards for a meter that they can this will make more sense when I give you an update on the metering crisis but for now that the other trip wasn't related to those meetups don't related to
22:30 Hillary Arinda: okay
22:34 Aaron Tushabe: this. Crisis thing yeah, yeah the other ongo that I see for this is I don't know that that's very pile. I again this is what makes this it costs. What maybe a hundred dollars when you buy it, maybe a little more than $100 when you buy it in Uganda there, but this is the esp32 things I don't know like five dollars or something like that, but it seems like they might be aware because there was very prize the whole computer has needs always all that stuff. So they might be an opportunity to replace a Raspberry Pi with something as simple as an ESB 32.
23:24 Aaron Tushabe: With Wi-Fi because they they come with with the kawaii module and run very low level code on there if really all we are trying to do is forward telemetry from. Yeah, so I I think there's another opportunity there out of this Glenn's experiment that even before we adopt that the meters might there be something we can do to like having a smaller age that has just lower level odd instead of.
24:02 Hillary Arinda: I thought that metering system. I thought the that part is part of the whole setup. It's meter reads with the edge. Yes.
24:13 Aaron Tushabe: Which but like like?
24:18 Hillary Arinda: It's not it's just metering.
24:22 Aaron Tushabe: What do you mean to meet us with the edge?
24:25 Hillary Arinda: And I'm saying they have an esp32 and I thought the reason they went with it was to include opinion EMS age as part of the over system no.
24:34 Aaron Tushabe: No no no, no, they don't they have that's why they call it to match EMS technically they have a whole replacements for opinions age for in our current flow if all all it did was metric.
24:48 Hillary Arinda: okay, so is it like minimized edge of such I want to get
24:51 Aaron Tushabe: Yes, it seems like it is a minimized edge because it's it gets data from the from the the meters and and publishes the data on an mqtt bus so if you have
25:06 Hillary Arinda: to
25:06 Aaron Tushabe: something that can pull data from mqtt and connect to it via the internet and pull data from that that mqtt bus then then that's then that's your they don't have something like equivalent of open emails backend. That's that robust but the world where we keep where.
25:26 Hillary Arinda: So now sorry. Sorry my question is can't open EMS subscribe to those topics and
25:36 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, that's that's what I realized that there is there is and I think it
25:37 Hillary Arinda: get that latest.
25:41 Aaron Tushabe: depends on which one you could have open EMS Edge subscribe and then Edge pushes up to whatever but I think there is a driver on open EMS but there's a way of any Ms back in. Could directly listen to it. Yeah, so there's there's some. Some testing to do their what what would be the resilient? What would be that the best way to incorporate it, but the opportunity would be that then switching to these esp32s give us a cheaper pile that that makes yeah getting better out of meta quicker easier cheaper to power yeah and might I don't know at some point if we run into cases where we are necite and the meters are not clustered could just have been one of these esp32's next to every meter. Take care of the meters.
26:46 Aaron Tushabe: Give us a part two to cooling data from them meters, so that's another opportunity. I see but not not as pressing as let's follow up on their funding and give them our business model as it currently is and see if they are they are willing to onboard that so that's 25k. It already did you hear?
27:16 Hillary Arinda: Yes, yes, I had that.
27:19 Aaron Tushabe: so that is I don't know a nice thing go down here that is a that was power Africa so that my follow-up is to yeah figure out. What are the next steps for for applying for funding at some point depending on where our priorities fall? We might get this mask to set up something in green voltas office and and we see if we can deploy to eat and and monitor monitor how the meters work.
27:55 Hillary Arinda: okay
27:59 Aaron Tushabe: Fast forward to smart metering crisis the identify the given you the high level of it that schema co and Spark meter go out of business elastia and some that all these ngos in the industry, but they have like 250,000 meters between the two of them. That's that they they have actively deployed.
28:27 Hillary Arinda: how many
28:29 Aaron Tushabe: only 250,000
28:33 Hillary Arinda: mmm
28:34 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, that they have active deployed with with mini-grade developers. I don't know if that's really all they have it seems like a small number for people been ironed for any other. But yes, so what happened is that? They are the many great developers if spark meter had stopped doing operations those meters would just I guess stop vending stop doing because they are servers and everything go down and same with steamer coffee.
29:13 Aaron Tushabe: Um the difference is that steamerco is running on mostly open standards. They are using dlms in running on Laura one and they have a regular Laura one gateway while parchment is in some proprietary mesh. Avior staff that's probably more reliable, but yeah no and apart from them understands. What's going on or knows what's going on really Republic understand what's going on. So these guys. Got stuck meter at least to agree to One release
29:47 Hillary Arinda: hmm
29:54 Aaron Tushabe: the meters are locked down to provide the keys of the meters to the developers. So that the developers can start figuring urbanizer developers. I mean many developers can start figuring out how to to move their meters to another Ami provider. Yeah, but that part is not very obvious and also there's concern that if they move to another provider at least for spark meter. You can technically unlock your meters, but it will not work with their normal. So you have to now figure out another day to.
30:33 Aaron Tushabe: There is some funding they're not really transparent, but there was some funding that said with they shall give spark method and steamer for some runway to continue supporting this meters but in parallel. There are asking that this group of people to see how they can build a system, am I it's got a lot of names eventually the name that seems to be speaking around you but can call for opening metering open metering system. I think oms's is what they're calling it that people who are on spark meet and stima kokans which do.
31:15 Aaron Tushabe: And that's oms will be open source and there will be businesses that will pick it up and provide it as a sask for developers. I don't want to host their own but for those that want to be about host their own so this week's workshops were focused on how do we Put together a high level road map and the plan for how to execute both on Yahoo execute on that plan.
31:48 Hillary Arinda: okay
31:49 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, and it had like 30 guys half of them are many great developers the other half were spark meter guys stimako guys and then the funders slash representatives of fun. That's really fun. That was like only one person the rest were maybe two there was someone for African Development Bank and there was some kick family from their code global energy Alliance but they are they part. They are rocker fella gives gives them money and they might be the primary people who are providing business and then access Vivian and it's another organization again German ngos, every year but on the wall. It seems like that and all of those guys were white people so it seems like the money. Yeah, the only reason those guys were there was because it seem.
32:48 Aaron Tushabe: S like we are the ones who have this special connection to the Finders and they find as a trust to them to make sure I guess we immediate developers. Don't just eat the money or something so they seem to be around to police and to facilitate but then the rest were yeah people who are like. I mean it business or just getting it to eat like us and it's Vivian and access that broadcasts being. I said yeah, you're willing to come.
33:20 Aaron Tushabe: they were also is an organization called have you had the African mini grade developers Association I think is what it is important, but
33:35 Aaron Tushabe: eventually it's exactly that it is like you say but for many great developers in Africa and it's like I don't know industry organizations. It's probably just that doesn't non-profit, but it's collects membership fees and as some membership benefits and advocates for so they've been involved a lot and they are recognized. I think I've been around for a while. So they they think they also in touch with World Bank and things like that.
34:05 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, so we debated a lot and eventually come up with the roadmap that man I really think our vision is with the codes and what is now microgrid manager. Might might be well aligned to do that that take away that came from that group was the organizers are going to go back and come up with an implementation plan there was just to give you a good sense. There was tension in the room because people know there's money and that.
34:46 Aaron Tushabe: Seems like everyone is trying to see who how are we going to decide who gets paid who gets some of this money, so they are like okay. Who's willing to contribute to this and has by its parties. Obviously I raise my hand but a few other people raise their hands but there was no free accommitment but because you raise Your Hand will reach out to you and I don't know offer you some funding if you're willing to contribute code or willing to contribute expertise in some way, so all that is Andrea except that the funders are saying they don't want to be funding meter and steamerco to sterilize for forever so we need to give them a timeline this point this IMS system will be up and ready.
35:38 Aaron Tushabe: And I'm then people cut migrate so that we can stop finding these other guys, so there is a fair amount of politics involved. I'm sure spark meat and stima consumable as rich yet the additional runway. So they I don't know much of an incentive. They have also make sure this thing ends quickly because it will end there runway. But on the other hand for NSE I think we need we could use this as momentum for our microgrid OS and and either push them to adopt it as the oms thing or
36:20 Hillary Arinda: I think
36:22 Aaron Tushabe: granite in parallel or something that can provide similar capabilities if yeah, I think my My Vision Hillary is if we get the Co-op parts right we can convince them to come on this as the foundation and we'll see what they are sponsoring money can help to accelerate these things.
36:46 Hillary Arinda: oh
36:47 Aaron Tushabe: so I I think We have at least I don't know in my mind. We have a week you and I to make the decision on the code is Foundation or questions. We had and then take this thing more public and let guys know we are using it on pilot site has this capability but even create some guidelines for someone to be like okay. I want to add prepaid metering. How can I start like? Where's my path to like PR and I think if that activity development yeah can start sooner than later this thing will have some momentum to to.
37:32 Aaron Tushabe: What they build on top of instead of starting from scratch?
37:36 Hillary Arinda: okay okay
37:38 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, so I don't know I was this week. I was watching. That rails conference Tambo don't do DHS is operating system. I don't know if you've seen it.
37:56 Hillary Arinda: Yeah, I think that yeah.
37:57 Aaron Tushabe: On my almighty. So I I think I am thinking that I micro microbreed manager needs this level of
38:01 Hillary Arinda: it's
38:13 Aaron Tushabe: like energy and Lodge thinking of like yeah, if I just need to like even if initially it's documentation but apart to give people are willing to jump on what an idea of like hey. This is very get started this this without this. It's how the plug-in plugins. What is that thing things work? This is the vision we have for it and and we get we get going and you see it. We can we can at least to be.
38:48 Aaron Tushabe: To be that that default operating system for for micro bits. That's that is where my imagination has led me last night. Yeah, so that's what came out of crisis and popped in your head.
39:12 Hillary Arinda: the moment
39:15 Aaron Tushabe: So yeah, I think we are the one thing I need to to do that. I send you PRS to things that have been adding because I I had found this flow where I am. Writing some iod told you I write the issues with the Codex public Astra and write that right drop the plants and then I I do the implementation with with some free models in open code and then I have Astra to do reviews and all that which has led to a bit more Tara chords, but I'm realizing that you and I haven't don't end up being sink on things that have been added because we are
40:01 Hillary Arinda: mmm
40:04 Aaron Tushabe: yeah. We are not yeah like reviewing each other PRS so I think what what I'm going to do more deliberating get get you in the loop so that you can at least. Helps keep you in the loop on the new things I'm adding and yeah, so there's an
40:25 Hillary Arinda: That's mainly an MBA would.
40:27 Aaron Tushabe: instance deployed. sorry
40:32 Hillary Arinda: On which system exactly and all systems or MBA mainly?
40:37 Aaron Tushabe: I guess it's not MBE anymore now that we have I focused yes. Yes, I f***** it
40:42 Hillary Arinda: MGM sorry, yes
40:44 Aaron Tushabe: and yeah on the MGM on MGM specifically I feel like I was yeah doing at least I
40:50 Hillary Arinda: Hey, no, I've been checking them out. I because I have a watcher that looks at the commits not say yes.
41:00 Aaron Tushabe: Think on API level I will see our source offend because I think they are gaps in that I thought because I talked a whole of MBE some of these things will work out of the box, but I've had to like additional code to just get being to work and even billing doesn't work or like sometimes. I click on something that you think should work and then it just goes to sample so there are gaps that I think.
41:31 Aaron Tushabe: Trying to see if I can yeah, but yeah, there's a live instance. I should definitely invite you here so that I don't even know is is invites what? and see here so there's there's issues by the spitting out good errors and all that so I think I might do suggest me the help to to like get in and whatever so let me fix this you get in so that maybe you can click around and see what's broken, but the goal is can we at least get this to a state so that I can import the
42:22 Hillary Arinda: okay
42:28 Aaron Tushabe: connect to the Open EMS plug because now I created a dedicated because of this new architecture. We have the plugin for open EMS we can connect it and import them Asana like recreate the nuts and a microgreens there and and I think going
42:48 Aaron Tushabe: forward I'd want to be from here and I think it's this is something I feel more confident about like adding a plugin for a reason what all those things. or even adding the email automation if it's going to end up here or somewhere else, but yeah, I need to work out communication of these to the gaze hosting MBE Yeah, so I'm yet to to find a way to like yeah communicate yeah that we would like to move to this as the main whatever contributions first because I am personally found it restricting that we keep having to rely on them one instance we have deployed.
43:38 Hillary Arinda: hmm
43:38 Aaron Tushabe: So yeah, I think having our instance even if we have a shared code base in similar to how opinions like we you get your own. Yeah, you have your own instance that you run but you the major project that everyone keeps tips imagine
43:52 Hillary Arinda: yeah Contributing to yeah.
43:55 Aaron Tushabe: so we are contributing yeah guys and then new business. Yes this also came out
43:59 Hillary Arinda: I agree.
44:08 Aaron Tushabe: of this crisis meeting so I end up talking to this global energy allies Alliance web and once you as impressed by I whenever because we've been thinking about this microgrid OS a lot. I had answers to a number of questions that a number of these developers had been taught about so she reaches out to make it like man. How do I To know about you. Are you a member of any of these organizations under what I'm like? No. No, I'm not yet. It's like okay. Yeah, it's like we do have another funding program and we are more interested actually in retired mini grids because them interconnected interconnected mini grids and so we might be launching it into gali or they have and the conference at the end of October integali. I think Danson will make it but I hopefully my flight to the US love checked out and I want still being together but long story short she asks me. Do you have a pipeline? And now that was the second time pipelines had come up the first time was when I met Jude in the power Africa conference that we could before Jude is I think recognized as the oldest mini-grid guy in the on the continent.
45:25 Hillary Arinda: oh
45:26 Aaron Tushabe: but I I know him because the I be kept a Glenn brought him up, but I have no friend of mine from Germany I'm gonna call Gary Could you have come up he came to my wedding but you didn't see him, so I know long story short this game friend of mine from Germany also is from he lives in Germany but he's been in Germany for since he was 18 but he's from Cameroon and that's why Jude from there from the same Villa they know each other so anyway, I end up having somewhat personal relationship with the Jews because we have this mutual person we both know so but you is also because you've been in the industry is a kawa humble guy or all his mini grids are in the villa, and he says business has been typed as teaching at some of his story business insights.
46:29 Aaron Tushabe: He has bootstrapped most of his stuff. He has gotten really little to no investor funding. Bootstrapped and a few grants but he has never like taken any other equity related stuff and he started out I really if you go on his website the company is called REI Cameroon but he shared this story and they are certain guys in the Nigeria market that he helped mentor and you are saying that I hoped these guys start but right now. They are much bigger than I am and he said one of the reasons. He saw this one is what's because he was really approaching.
47:12 Aaron Tushabe: These from one at a time. He gave other reason but one of the major reason is like I would go on mini grid at a time. I deploy nasana, then. I'm like okay deploy worships when it's done. Let's deploy another one and for them. I guess for him because he's like all the literary checks that need to happen all the land of Physicians that is like their number of things that's unless you like organize a pipelines and meet let's say you go and meet a regulator go through like three five ten proposals.
47:52 Aaron Tushabe: Reviews of your proposal for mini grids your it's going to cost you more on every deployment so I think that's where first planted the idea in my head of this. This is why a pipeline could be better than going one at a time. That's yeah. Overall the overall time. You might take might be like. Yeah to deploy a 10 projects, but it you will have gone through that the similar Cycles for each at the same time and you'll be able to yeah end up deploying them deeper than you would both in terms of time and money then if you went one by one so that's that idea.
48:42 Aaron Tushabe: It's I'm actually maybe it entered my head when I was also doing this commercial model for worship harvest. I I think I had first started with the pilot in Nancy and how to get that bank financing and as I was iterating on this in Codex It pointed out that what banks would like better than taking to them a single project is you take to them portfolio of projects.
49:16 Aaron Tushabe: So that for them one. It's it ends up being it ends up being capital your borrowings more capital your borrowing, but it they are willing to to learn it and it feels less risky up because they're like if you have the portfolio of five projects. They're like if one flows down. Maybe people have not buying energy as much the others can help of set it because all the entire portfolio is funded on one loan.
49:52 Aaron Tushabe: Versus if you have one project and if it's not doing well that loan has a risk of defaulty.
49:59 Aaron Tushabe: Are you are you getting that part?
50:02 Hillary Arinda: You know come again.
50:05 Aaron Tushabe: That's that's if you have if I text to to a bank worship harvest. They can see a project that is clearly profitable but the risk for them would be that if what
50:20 Aaron Tushabe: you pers reduce their consumption for some reason. Then that I would be at risk of defaulting on that loan.
50:31 Hillary Arinda: That's true.
50:32 Aaron Tushabe: But but if I take to them 10 worship harvests now. This is on all a worship like two charges for clinics one shopping mall and the three schools. And I'm like I want to finding for this 10 projects. There are more willing to fund that because they are like it's unlikely that all these proper all these 10 projects. Could have a slowdown in energy consumption at the same time.
51:03 Hillary Arinda: The same time okay, I agree.
51:05 Aaron Tushabe: So even if one slows down the others can make enough to pay off that what's new on their own that month and for them that is much better like 10 times better value proposition that here is nonsense can you give me for me?
51:24 Hillary Arinda: mmm
51:26 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, so that's where I think the idea of we need the pipeline also Started From then judo for him to be telling me the same thing that you save on than the amount like if I'm in a fails of like doing proposals, then I go into the phase of sorting the equipment cause people have signed on that yes, they would whatever then I go into the face of finding the funders whether I'm collecting money from from getting a bank to provide part of it as alone all that was gets into one phase then we go to deployments one fails so I get green Volta I get this company that I give this deal of I'm giving you 10 projects to deploy. Give me a good deal. I'm not just bringing you know one one to you and I can now negotiate better on the installation and and maintenance contracts but That's that's the thing that got going in my mind that I think that should be
52:24 Hillary Arinda: mmm
52:28 Aaron Tushabe: what what we aim for after the pilot and I am not stuck to 10. I want to target 10 but even if we got three that's that's a pipeline we can like let that one go and and we received through to deployment sales people let's start on the next pipeline. Um, so that's that's the idea of what what's going on with what should privates like I'm trying to get the proposal out of the way and we get them to attend that he believe that. They are yes, they get added to the pipeline.
53:06 Hillary Arinda: Something just hit my mind some sorry so in this country.
53:08 Aaron Tushabe: uh-huh
53:11 Hillary Arinda: my my sister has a my sister husband only Hospital
53:21 Aaron Tushabe: Find out because from the commercial models the to megawatt hours per month is the sweet spots but we can survive at at half that at one megawatt hour we could
53:34 Hillary Arinda: I need to talk. okay
53:38 Aaron Tushabe: we could be okay, but two megawatt hours that's sweet spot if I told they are in that that range. I think we can we can bring them on board and I and I think the
53:49 Hillary Arinda: okay
53:50 Aaron Tushabe: other thing is that yeah, I have realized today the commercial guys. Let's headache. I think we'll still have some residentials in there the primary Nas or really and in their community that has at least 50. Um, but I think the portfolio should be heavy on the commercial. Yeah, so please yeah, get that whatever yeah, but yeah, I think what are I've
54:16 Hillary Arinda: I'll find a way to start the discussion here.
54:22 Aaron Tushabe: been imagining is. In this initial phase I want to if we get our portfolio our pipeline of five projects and let's say the costs like 50k to fund.
54:37 Hillary Arinda: Oh, sorry again my brother. My other brother has a farm.
54:40 Aaron Tushabe: hmm
54:44 Hillary Arinda: and he was asking for a system so instead of Isn't he because when I did like you know usually I do backup systems for circuits and all but I realized for a commercial building. He needs. He doesn't need to target just circuits if you did the whole building he could have more savings but of course that takes his capital higher that.
55:14 Aaron Tushabe: Yes, yes. But for me it's for us. It's a good thing because we get more consumption.
55:25 Hillary Arinda: Yes, so that result another potential candidate.
55:25 Aaron Tushabe: And we really have businesses in a moment. He owns the building.
55:31 Hillary Arinda: No, that's the problem it doesn't on the building.
55:32 Aaron Tushabe: We have to talk to the landlord.
55:35 Hillary Arinda: Yes.
55:37 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, it's okay. I think we may have to need some more introduction to landlords, and I I we work we walk through the pitching the other thing I've realized that that will give us characteristics of the kind of people are people who have generators. right people have generators
55:54 Hillary Arinda: Yes, yeah, that's why that's why my my sister's hospital came in mind because they have a generator even at home. There's a battery I gave them from border work 4.7. Whatever is but it's no longer even enough so we have a generator at
56:11 Aaron Tushabe: 4.7 watt kilowatt hour
56:12 Hillary Arinda: home, but I was yeah, but that is yeah.
56:18 Aaron Tushabe: That's the one one surgery really you can't you can't do anything more okay.
56:22 Hillary Arinda: No, no that is at home. That is at home, but at all spiritually at the hospital they have a generator.
56:28 Aaron Tushabe: Do you know the safe? You do it.
56:35 Hillary Arinda: no no no no
56:36 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, yeah, because yeah, I don't know if you so close you on the worship
56:37 Hillary Arinda: My teacher small generator hmm.
56:42 Aaron Tushabe: harvest whatever but they they have the 200 kVA that they spend like on Sundays they are yeah. They're stress their stressed about power going off that they
56:50 Hillary Arinda: 900k hmm. I saw.
56:55 Aaron Tushabe: don't bother the distance. They turn the power or they'd gone that. What should
56:58 Hillary Arinda: that
57:01 Aaron Tushabe: be the automated switch and they manually turn it to generate and they just ban fuel the whole day so I think looking at yeah hotels what but people already have a generator in place might cause they for some of them. I think what you realize some of them there might be like already invested in the generator, but when we show them the saving on or what it cost them to run the generator. We did the mass and it comes down to about 1800 kilowatt hours. Sorry what? 1800 shillings per kilowatt hour
57:36 Hillary Arinda: all right
57:40 Aaron Tushabe: So if we're offering them power at 800 shillings per kilowatt hour that is saving even if they've already burnt money on the generate.
57:47 Hillary Arinda: Meanwhile the 800 came from wind go because I have a note on the agent.
57:53 Aaron Tushabe: it's What the 800 was I think it might have come in there as the esteem the average
57:59 Hillary Arinda: mmm
58:05 Aaron Tushabe: cost on the code 10.2 cause it's a time of Us right. so it
58:10 Hillary Arinda: Because the average cost is like 567, then when you add Dax it gets 669 so I
58:16 Aaron Tushabe: It depends on on a you sure, what's the highest price on that kid code 10.2?
58:17 Hillary Arinda: failed to. even when there Their highest price is in the like 666.
58:30 Aaron Tushabe: I'm not sure actually then because I I think what has realizing is that that the average cost depends when you compute the average by just looking at the tariffe it assumes that your that your consuming the same amount at during each of those those windows, but because you might end up consuming a lot during one one time or during the night your average cost of power and that defiring.
59:03 Aaron Tushabe: Are you getting?
59:07 Hillary Arinda: But how does it determine to 800 staff was?
59:09 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, good question. I also don't let me be possible.
59:12 Hillary Arinda: The big if you include taxes that's the only that's the closest they get to 800 when that power. Yes, so.
59:19 Aaron Tushabe: when you click taxes yeah, so I I think it's what double checking it's what double checking but I also thought it was a good conservative one if yeah, but
59:28 Hillary Arinda: nothing
59:35 Aaron Tushabe: yeah, I again even if we had we are we are offering them 600 then even more savings for them, but yeah, then I would need to check our models that they are
59:45 Hillary Arinda: Yeah, it's mostly. I've been for them, but then but then not not for us.
59:46 Aaron Tushabe: not they are not overestimating our Revenue Yeah, I'll need I'll need to check our need to check. Yeah. I'd say good one. Let me also add it to the things to review but I think when I was the point has making there is that the one characteristic of the clients who are looking for might be the kind that have a generator because one they are they've already shown that they are they are desperate for reliability. They are willing to generate power and the paper it at 1,800 kilowatt hours. Sorry 1,800 inch per kilowatt hour and really deal with all it has of generate a maintenance and have.
01:00:31 Aaron Tushabe: In the fuel make sure no one stole it all that all that so yeah the big thing there is that we need we need we need that pipeline. I will like spend most of Q4 prioritizing also making time to follow up on the lead speech to the guys get get them to sign on but yeah the big picture. I had was that if we end up coming up with a portfolio. Sorry a pipeline that has that is going to cost 50,000 dollars to to deploy.
01:01:10 Aaron Tushabe: I am also I think I know I know enough people in our circle that if I could find that people. But people that can give us one. That I yeah, I tell you this is one k the sofa that much shows that this 1k. Would that the project at least watch a private salon has an internal rate of return this is really P1 profit after all the other costs of maintenance and all of around 20%
01:01:49 Hillary Arinda: That's good.
01:01:50 Aaron Tushabe: It is from the commercial model here 20 or 20 percent and I'm like yeah it can convince someone who has their unit trust that is coming in at 10 percent per year to you know take a bit more risk on something and get to 20%
01:02:07 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, so that's that's the fundraising picture. I have in mind and I'm like if I can get started out of 30 people then the 20K I can go to the bank and pay guys are your I've already founded this project. Yeah more than 50 percent. I need 20K and we see what rates. They're giving us. Or I can go to isv and say guys here is a project of 10 10 mini grids. It's already funded this way but I need I need this this balance to to your complete and see if that excites them more than taking to them once one Project
01:02:57 Hillary Arinda: I think it would yeah.
01:03:00 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, but yeah, that's that's the new business strategy that that also came out of a number of these engagements. We had the past couple weeks. Yes, so yeah action item for all of us really we have the criteria is for residential is at least 50. but for For the businesses we are looking at two megawatt hours if guys are willing chair their bills, then then I think we can give them a proposal that they would like.
01:03:52 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, I'll be trash. What question did we have here? What what things did you think we need to discuss?
01:03:59 Hillary Arinda: Let's let's look at let's look at element. Let's go to Element anyway on which topic now so sorry.
01:04:07 Aaron Tushabe: I said arbitrage.
01:04:10 Hillary Arinda: Oh, yeah, I think you had the review.
01:04:14 Aaron Tushabe: hmm
01:04:14 Hillary Arinda: What was happening is that? The Watch was being armed manually so really arbitrage. So in this field.
01:04:24 Aaron Tushabe: What's being armed manually yes, what do you mean? I'm the manually like like we
01:04:29 Hillary Arinda: Like my agent was the one I mean it monitoring it like just democrite get
01:04:30 Aaron Tushabe: would. Yes.
01:04:34 Hillary Arinda: everything perfect so the first few the past few instances were being 100
01:04:36 Aaron Tushabe: Yes.
01:04:39 Hillary Arinda: manually, but I wish the point where I feel like now. We can automate it because
01:04:40 Aaron Tushabe: okay
01:04:46 Hillary Arinda: what I realized was that. Yes.
01:04:53 Aaron Tushabe: As you created the page here trucks. but you realize
01:04:56 Hillary Arinda: mmm was that It's um. 1 The conditions for it to start a bit rich. Take in two context the battery level at the time.
01:05:17 Aaron Tushabe: hmm
01:05:26 Hillary Arinda: There are cases where we have so the initial setup was at 85% if I set at 85 percent then I'm guaranteed that if I use arbitrage for like say 23 hours. I will not reach my cutoff for 45% As a buffer for outages, but now what about when you start at like the other day was it yesterday? Why I went off and the arbitrage time for the battery at 60% What do you do in such a case do arbitrage or you just let that night go so currently.
01:06:07 Hillary Arinda: According to the current PR we are going to be letting that night go I set into 75 percent as minimum threshold to start and then cut off as always at 45% and then the open window is 8pm no 21 21 21. pm to To 23 but then that leaves us with the mobile so I'm thinking maybe we can take it save from 8 p.m. To 10 30. They're about basically I want to put it in a band where the use of other most energy. Such that we absorb will quickly.
01:06:56 Aaron Tushabe: Yes, yes.
01:06:57 Hillary Arinda: That's what I've been looking for.
01:06:58 Aaron Tushabe: No okay that that's an interesting strategy when I look at the data, you have here I can use my screen.
01:07:07 Hillary Arinda: I'm looking at it.
01:07:10 Aaron Tushabe: It like it looks like this is this is what we end up retelling that during during the midnight window.
01:07:18 Hillary Arinda: Yes. That is correct.
01:07:22 Aaron Tushabe: But I yeah. Our battery is is what what is the capacity that that is really usable name?
01:07:31 Hillary Arinda: Yes 9 0 8.9 there about yes.
01:07:36 Aaron Tushabe: man I I want to get this to as close to 8.9 as possible. I might be said.
01:07:45 Hillary Arinda: oh No the ambition has no problem, but it it kills our reliability mission you want
01:07:54 Aaron Tushabe: do you
01:07:55 Hillary Arinda: to go against.
01:07:57 Aaron Tushabe: No, no, but do we know that do you do we think it will be reliability my thing would be that they need to be they need to be a column here for reliability.
01:08:04 Hillary Arinda: It could potentially. Reliability is taken into context in that that's why you live in 45 percent if you want to can take it to 30 but that means you're living 30% reliability.
01:08:19 Aaron Tushabe: No, it was was living it. There is isn't reliability because living it for me. I'm like reliability is is power staying on I don't know how often power power goes in the midnight window that I would have a risk if I already that midnight
01:08:38 Aaron Tushabe: when I am at this 20% at 0 okay. Yeah the equivalent of zero because it could be
01:08:40 Hillary Arinda: zero the risk is the
01:08:46 Aaron Tushabe: that power just doesn't go as often in the midnight window.
01:08:51 Hillary Arinda: okay okay
01:08:51 Aaron Tushabe: That even if I'm arriving whatever that I it's rarely got that reliability ends up not being affected. I now this is the hunch but for me I feel like the only way to prove out the hand is Randy think monetary liabilize actually be doing calculation of reliability on the day that every run here says they reliability was a 20 25
01:09:12 Hillary Arinda: that means
01:09:16 Aaron Tushabe: percent and we we see that for like a week and see how reliability really got impacted.
01:09:22 Hillary Arinda: Okay, I understood and okay that changes two things yeah, I am in agreement the changes to things one they starting the starting scoc system set of charge now
01:09:28 Aaron Tushabe: okay
01:09:35 Hillary Arinda: should not matter as long as it say above our threshold. It's okay. That is one number two the lower the lower bound. We are taking it even further a lot to say 20% So that means we have only one yeah okay that can be worked on in the next
01:09:49 Aaron Tushabe: Hey, yes. Yes, yes, yes.
01:09:57 Hillary Arinda: maybe since this has got. mud, we can just do a commit in the same PR
01:10:03 Aaron Tushabe: Okay, I'm okay with that. Yes, I'm
01:10:04 Hillary Arinda: Okay, I think that's okay, then we'll add those metrics and when we see what it means and I think it's actually okay yeah, yeah.
01:10:12 Aaron Tushabe: calling I'm do you think we are we are fairly deep into this experiments that you wouldn't want to. introduce Sola yes
01:10:28 Hillary Arinda: No Sola can come in and because we already know what is provide feeding into this template so it's a matter of add. It's modular enough to add solar and get
01:10:36 Aaron Tushabe: okay
01:10:39 Hillary Arinda: the impact of solar.
01:10:41 Aaron Tushabe: okay
01:10:41 Hillary Arinda: As well, yes, so it's fine.
01:10:45 Aaron Tushabe: Then a participate 1 m we are going to be coming for it sometime next week.
01:10:53 Hillary Arinda: That's okay.
01:11:01 Aaron Tushabe: anything else on a bit Rush
01:11:05 Hillary Arinda: Not really, but yeah, I've been seeing the report say the gains are there. I'm
01:11:06 Aaron Tushabe: okay
01:11:11 Hillary Arinda: looking for a time. I'm looking for a time ready to flip to green all the time.
01:11:11 Aaron Tushabe: and again
01:11:16 Hillary Arinda: Yes, yes.
01:11:17 Aaron Tushabe: hey
01:11:23 Hillary Arinda: At least for the first time I saw some green so a bit redwax.
01:11:27 Aaron Tushabe: Yeah, yeah in theory. It was going to work. in theory in theory, it was going to
01:11:36 Hillary Arinda: Maybe on the agenda, do we put a review for the bill? How it went and
01:11:44 Aaron Tushabe: yeah, I you know it was and okay I am my my plot is about to begin now, I'm wondering.
01:12:18 Hillary Arinda: Maybe we can have another smaller session during the week or something.
01:12:23 Aaron Tushabe: What does the rest of your day look like if I come back for you in like two
01:12:24 Hillary Arinda: because the
01:12:27 Aaron Tushabe: hours? We did to be?
01:12:29 Hillary Arinda: Yeah, how I'll be okay. I'll be available they available yes.
01:12:32 Aaron Tushabe: You'll be okay, then, let's let's dare resume. From here yeah, but let's let's resume.
01:12:47 Hillary Arinda: Okay, thank you man. I'll be waiting this has been recorded because
01:12:47 Aaron Tushabe: in to ours okay I'm doing it there will be a transcript. Yes.
01:12:57 Hillary Arinda: Okay yeah, it will be needed for that arbitrate stuff. Thank you. bye
  